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- [S3363] Correspondence - Wendy Bohrn, Ancestry Message; DNA Inquiry; 12 February 2024.
Hello Dennis,
I just started using the site and still learning how to navigate it. It is a pleasure to speak with you. I wish I had more information to give you.
If I find anything I will be sure to contact you.
I know on my mom’s side ( her dad) we have no information beyond him.
Thank you
Wendy
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Hi Wendy, Good morning and thanks for responding. Just a few questions which will enable me to focus on how we link.
1. What is your Mom's name;
2. Do you know of, or are you related to Chase Emery who lives in Twin Falls. I believe that he may be a DNA match and if so the number of CM, and
3. Have you ever heard of a Harold Allsopp (or Verran or Jackson)? If I send you a list of people that I think are matched to you would you be prepared to return me the cM match that they have with you so that I may be able to ascertain the most probable line to which your liked.
Thank you
Dennis
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My moms name Betty Jean Veronica Monroe (Burgess)
Chase Emery is my cousin ( my moms sister side)
I have not heard of the other two names and not sure what the cM is. The list of names you can send and I will show them to my sister also. She had been working on moms side of the family for years
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Thanks so much. So I take it that both you and Chase share the the same unknown grandfather. I messaged him but no reply. I will send you the list later as I need to go out shortly but am I correct i that your Mom was born in 1946 (according to the 1950 Census) and that she married Alvin Monroe on 14 February 1945 in Elko, Nevada. I suspect at this stage that our mystery man may be Harold Verran Allsopp AKA Harold Jackson, who left Australia around 1917 at age 19 years and served in the US military sometime after that (I have a photo of him in uniform that he send to his sister). Nothing else is known of him by the family but when I send you the list of names I should be able to triangulate the line.
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Mom was born December 9 1945. My mom’s mom was Evelyn Helerbant who married my grandpa Alvin Monroe and it was on Valentine’s Day. All my mom was told is that her dad.. Alvin was in the military before, he said he was born in 1900 and we know nothing else.
I don’t think anyone else has done the DNA test
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For your list……
Jannette156…..540cM
Joel Wilson…..52cM
bklee170……..251cM
Norris_nancy91…..210cM
r Allsopp……114cM
Carol Moses…..304cM
Shane May……119cM
Helen Coe……60cM
sumaculok… not on my list but says it manages norris_nancy
Carol Peake…40cM
Clark4321….Not found when searched.
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I put all of the numbers into the WATO tool from DNA painter and it predicted that your grandfather was Harrold Verran Allsopp (as I guessed). Was Alvin an alias??? thus no-one knowing anything about him
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Looks like a good mystery story on our hands
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Yes! How exciting….
We know he was married before in South Carolina from what my mom was told.
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Interesting. Another snippet to follow. I believe that Harold was a steward on the SS Ventura which ran mail between Sydney and San Francisco near until 1930 and entered the US sometime in the 1920's. I have applied to our State Records office to find if they have any crew lists for the SS Ventura. They have a log of its arrival in Sydney. This may give a starting point for the journey. Which of your aunts is Chase's mom, Carolyn or Laurelyn just so that I get link correct.
14 Feb 2024
So Carolyn and Laurel have a different dad … Chase is Debbie Emery’s son.
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I will see if someone has a photo of him at wedding time.
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I’m so excited to see the outcome!!!
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- [S3106] Correspondence - Denice Carter, Re: re. Alvin Eugene Monroe; email; 24 April 2025.
Thank you for getting back with me! So interesting and happy he had family somewhere. I always wondered and worried about that ol man….when we put him in a rest home down from our house it broke my heart but he was smoking and wandering and we worried he would escape out the front door and get in the road.. he begged me all the time to bring him home but just couldn’t do it. He was a different man and never met anyone like him…He was full of it and you just couldn’t figure out if it was true or not but it never pertained to anything you have mentioned; it’s like he didn’t want to touch on anything that happened in that part of the world.. nothing on his parents, brothers and sisters, nothing.. he did mention the friend he had in the bunker in The outlies of France that was shot in the head next to him, then an explosion went off and his helmet was lodged on his head but he had blacked out waking up in a medical hospital with bandages wrapped around his eyes.. he was pulling them Off when a heavy set nurse come screaming at him, jumped on the bed, sat on his face so the lights wouldn’t blind him…but who knows. On his right ear around the edge he said it was shot off and had a dent in the back of his calf where he was shot… but who knows! He was a small man with lots of hair and sat at the table reading the Bible all the time…so give me a price for postage and let me buy those books.. I’ll send a money order to you and I’ll have these for my kids and grandkids! I thank you for all that you’ve done so far and we’ll keep in touch! Deneice
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- [S3617] _Births, Deaths and Marriages, NSW, Harrold Verran Allsop Keeten; Birth; Transcript; 5691; 1897; Nowra.
{NAME: HARROLD VERRAN ALLSOP KEETEN
SEX OF CHILD: MALE
DATE OF BIRTH: 10 JAN 1897
PLACE: WANDANDIAN NSW, DISTRICT OF NOWRA
FATHER: FREDERICK THOMAS KEETEN
OCCUPATION: LABOURER
BIRTHPLACE: SALLY FLATS, NSW
AGE: 31
DATE OF MARRIAGE: 17 DEC 1888
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: ORANGE NSW
MOTHER: AMIAL VERRAN
BIRTHPLACE: CORNWALL,ENGLAND
AGE: 25
PREVIOUS ISSUE: GUSTUS JOHN T A 7, FREDERICK W A 5, VIOLET J 3, LIVING; 1 FEMALE DECEASED
INFORMANT: AMIAL KEETEN, MOTHER, WANDANDIAN NSW
PRESENT AT BIRTH: MRS VERRAN
REGISTERED: 2 MAR 1897 - NOWRA}
- [S3185] 1950 US Census [MH], Household of Elvin Monroe; Canyon Side, Jerome County, Idaho; Enum. District: 27-11; Sheet: 7; Line 4; 9 February 2024.
- [S3374] US Social Security Death Index [FMP], Alvin Munroe; 1900; Idaho; SSN: 518-42-1690; 13 February 2024.
First name(s) Alvin
Last name Monroe
Birth year 1900
Birth month Jan
Birth day 10
Death year 1982
Death month May
Death day -
Social Security number 518-42-1690
Place of issue Idaho
State Idaho
Country United States
Record set Social Security Death Index
- [S3504] Sydney, Australia, Anglican Parish Registers, 1814-2011 [A], Baptism; Harold Verran Allsopp Keeten; 10 April 1897; Tomerong; 31 May 2028.
- [S3190] Find A Grave, Alvin E Monroe; 19597304; IOOF Cemetery, Filer.
- [S3375] US Social Security Death Index (SSDI) [A], Alvin Munroe; SSN: 518-42-1690.
- [S3378] Newspaper: Twin Falls Times-News [NPO], Obituary; Alvin Eugene Monroe; 1 June 1982; Page 14.
- [S2885] Billion Graves Cemetery Index, Alvin E Monroe; 9735639; Independent Order of Odd Fellows Cemetery, Filer.
Born: 10 January 1900
Died: 30 May 1982
Age: 82 Years 4 Months
- [S3507] United States Marriages [FMP], Marriage; Eugene Harold Verron Jackson + Ruth Coslete; 4 July 1924; Los Angeles; 18 February 2024.
{First name(s) Ruth
Last name Coslete
Sex Female
Age 25
Birth year 1899
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Coslete
Mother's first name(s) Ella
Mother's last name Forbes
Year 1924
Event date 04 Jul 1924
Place Los Angeles, California, United States
County Los Angeles
State California
Country United States
Spouse's first name(s) Eugene Harold Verron
Spouse's last name Jackson
Spouse's age 27
Spouse's birth year 1897
Spouse's father's first name(s) A E
Spouse's father's last name Jackson
Spouse's mother's first name(s) Antonette
Spouse's mother's last name Verron
Notes Marriage Record
Record set United States Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Americas, United States}
- [S2901] California, County Marriages, 1850-1953 [FS], Marriage; Eugene Harold Verron Jackson + Ruth COSLETE ; 4 July 1924; Los Angeles; Book 541; Page 92; 20 February 2024; Certificate.
- [S2901] California, County Marriages, 1850-1953 [FS], Marriage; Harold Eugene Verron Jackson + Franza Warren Peterson; 25 January 1931; Los Angeles; License: 781/1931; Book 998; Page 235; 20 February 2024; Certificate.
Harrold's parents given as A.E. Jackson + Antonette Verron.
- [S2903] California, County Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1849-1980 [A], Marriage; Harold E V Jackson + Franza W Peterson; 29 January 1931; Los Angeles; Book 998; Page 235; 21 February 2024; Index.
- [S3376] Navada Licenses 1944-1947 [FS], Alvin Eugene Munroe + Evelyn Veronica Helebrant; 14 February 1945; Elko, Navada; License 5037; 13 February 2024.
- [S3378] Newspaper: Twin Falls Times-News [NPO], Death Notice; Evelyn V Shelton; 26 November 1975; Page 2; 15 February 2024.
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